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fazed-in adoption, which is also what has been heard in the community meetings and other feedback mechanisms. the committee yesterday evening consisted of commissioner mendoza and myself because commissioner kim was not able to be there. but the two of us as the quorum of the committee recommended to the board that at the next meeting, that the board support the substitute motion that will take the place of the first reading, the first draft of this policy. the substitute motion will include those slightly amended elementary school attendance areas and the policy language that talks about the phasing in of the middle school feeder patterns not this year, but that we will use middle school assignment mechanisms for the
coming year, which will just take out the feeder patterns, and we will have fewer steps and tie-breakers. so essentially it will be more of a choice system for middle school next year, an open choice system for the whole district, more like what we are using now. we should remind people, as we did last night, that the middle school process has been the one that has had the highest positive results for students, parents and families in recent years. that is, percentage just under or over 90% of participants have gotten one of their choices in the middle school process, and more than 75% have gotten their first choice. we can have some confidence that -- since it won't be too different, that it won't be too different -- it won't give us a significantly different result that we can anticipate for next
year. that was the recommendation on the first resolution. the second resolution, the general education transportation policy i would commend to the board members who were not there, which i think was commissioner kim. most of the board members were there for at least part of the meeting and the details are available online to the public. the staff is recommending that we not have the second reading of the transportation policy until november 8. these changes and the work that is being done now have really taxed the work of the staff, which we at the committee, and most members of the public wanted to commend the staff for the extraordinary amount and quality of the work that has been done on this project by the staff. the second part is the transportation policy -- questions were posed to the board and the public, questions
like not grandfathering in bus stops starting next year. if we make changes in the transportation policy for general education, lots of bus stops and maybe bus routes will entirely go away. questions were posed to the board. for commissioner kim in particular, if you want to weigh in on those, you should do that. but i think that the staff's recommendation is based on the belief that adoption of the policy, the elementary attendance areas and the question of a phase-in of the middle school feeder pattern, that needs to be done first before the transportation policy. so the committee was in support of that delay until november 8th, and also i just want to end by repeating for the public that we can make such a delay without affecting the attendance process for next year. so this will be -- we will have
a new transportation policy. those questions such as are we going to have transportation to after-school programs? are we going to grandfather things? which routes might go away? which stops might go away. that will be known by the public well in advance of when they need to make their applications for school next year. i think that's the end of the report. we will continue to meet monthly. can i say the next meeting is october 13th, which is not a monday. that monday is a holiday, so we are changing it to the wednesday. >> all right. deputy superintendent lee? >> thank you, president kim. i just wanted to make one minor convection to commissioner wynns' report, which is that the november board meeting that we are looking at for the transportation policy to come back and be active on is november 9th. >> excuse me. the 8th is the committee meeting. >> right. thank you. >> thank you. item t is report of closed
session action. >> president kim, i just want to announce that the next meeting of the rules committee is monday, seven 20 at 5:30. >> thank you. close session actions of seven 9, 2010. the board of he vation by a video of 4-3 approved the chief, program administrator. in a claim against the district , by a vote of five eyes and two. ed board approved a setment and release agreement in the amount of $38,000. the board by a vote of five eyes and three and sent, approved a resolution of intent to -- to suspend the employee pending hearing. >> item u.
other informational items. tonight we are adjourning our meeting in memory of listened apierce, a cousin of principal james jerky, who passed away on august 23rd, 2010. linda was born in san francisco. they received her teaching credentials from essex state university. she enjide a 30-year career with the s.f.d. with a love for first grade classes. she loved her city pie the bay, voting, cooking, reading a than playing piano. the board of education and superintendent of schools express sincere sympathy to the family. meeting adjourned. thank you very much.
for them. you don't even see them. today we're going to look at them and for them and talk a little bit about what they are there for and how they should be maintained. what our standards are. so we are right here in front of building services office at 1660 mission street. we have one of many buildings served by fire escapes. they are typically used when there's a required means of existing or egressfrom the building. this building has a main stairway and all these fire escapes. i don't know about the backside. it probably has more exits that would be typically required to have. >> typically fire escapes are
the second. the first is for existing buildings. my guess is the building has been broken up. that's why they add more than one fire escape. >> and in fact one of basis of the building code is to get people how the. how do you get people out safely? >> right and the cold always says, if one is blocked there should be another one in 99 percent of buildings >> and there are limitations on how you exit. you can't exit from one tenant space to another if that space is locked. that's why we have extra fire escapes on this building. let's look up at these fire escapes for a second. the fire escapes have a few specific elements. and we'll talk in detail about
what they are. they include a way out on top fire escape balcony. the fire escape balconies. the ladder from the lowest balcony to the ground and a way to get on to the roof. i think those are the main elements of the fire escape. >> yeah. >> okay. and we're going to look at a bunch of different ones. this is a good example across the street. so first of all, how do you get out on to the fire escape? you can't have to climb out on a little window. we can see there are large, openable window pain doors, >> they did allow them to climb
out windows and those are grandfathered in. >> as bill mentioned, there's an important part of the codes, they are not retroactive. you had to bring them up to today's standards. it's allowed to be maintained in the original construction. that's one of reasons we have old fire escapes. they are not required to be upgraded. >> if this was built today, a fire escape would not be allowed. they do not meet the second means of egresscode. >> but in all the existing ones like this one, you have to maintain them and keep a second means. according to the codes the
building was built under. we are allowed to have fire escapes in existing buildings to provide a new exist from a historic building. it specifically allows fire escapes. we are allowed to have fire escapes for new exits. it's under some circumstances >> right. r3. one and 2 family homes. even new ones, which is not under the jurisdiction of the fire department. we will allow new buildings to have fire escapes if they can show reasonable standard for why they cannot put in a conforming stair sway. fire escapes are essentially providing a legal second stairway. it's not quite a second
stairway. that's 60 to 70 degrees. the fire department does to the agree and the more hazardous. >> if it was built, we allow you to maintain them. >> speaking of maintenance. we will get to maintenance later. we have people that do fire escape maintenance. going back to talking about the elements, we have access to the fire escape and then we have a fire escape balcony, they need a balcony to get access. you don't climb out directly on to a ladder. for one and 2 family dwellings, but there are very few of them. we had an exception under there
for no balconies. they are almost always required >> jomes are not allowed. they are pole ladders and they open up into a vertical ladder, their product lists doesn't require a balcony. we made a decision that is not even close to provide equivalency to a stairway. how many people. >> yeah, we have a question over here >> what year was this law changes and fire escapes required >> the question was, at who point was the regulations change from allowing fire escapes to second stairs? >> that would be under the fire
departments jurisdiction. >> it was actually within the last 10 to 15 years. i started 12 or 11 years ago and there was improvement plans with fire escapes. it came from the state. state farm was the one that came out and said, no no ones. >> yeah. so it's pretty recent. i can remember. i'm not that old. >> you're not. you are a young guy. so we have balconies, i handed out to you a whole set of technical standards. we will not go through that unless you have questions. if you are watching this and you want a copy, call us, our number is 558-6025.
we have the ladders that connect to the next balcony, those are regulated under the local, administrative bulletins and there's retroactive provisions in the state building code about how they have to be. >> the angle and width. i believe that's all covered in the handout. >> typically san francisco fire escapes and we will see, had angles of somewhere between 60 and 72-degree ladders. i can't from this angle tell what that is. the state has made it clean that 60 degrees is what they consider to be the maximum safe angle. most of the existing ones are steeper, up to 72 degrees. and these hand rails and they step down on to a landing and
you walk around and go down. at the bottom, this is the way to get to the ground. this is great. this has something called a counter balance ladder. it means that as you walk down to the bottom of the fire escape, there's a ladder sticking out horizontally. it will go down because there's a weight. >> it doesn't go all at once. >> so counter balance ladders are what the code currently require. but as we walk around, you will see many of them don't have counter balance ladders, they have drop ladders and accordians and all that. this is an excellent type of ladder. you can see from the end of counter balance ladder, there's a chain. if you follow the chain up.
it goes up to a pulley and down the other side to a weight. can you see that? the big weight is the counter balance weight and the code prescribes how many force it will take to operate that counter balance. >> is there a maximum height? >> yes. there's a maximum and minimum. >> it's in the handout >> ladder xdto the ground. on page 6, 2.7. a permanent, 50 pounds. 150 pounds 1 quarter of the way will start to swing slowly down. and no fire escapes will be less than 14 feet above the
sidewalk. when any part falls away, it has to be 14 feet. >> the top ladder too, that's a straight ladder. that's for fire department use. that's not for somebody fleeing a fire. you are supposed to come down. we use these things as a second way to get up. we like this, because we can run up those things. we don't have to go in the building. the stamp pipes are on there. or a wet stand pipe. actually for us, it's a convenience. it's a goose neck ladder over the top. but, once again, that's for fire department use. not for civilians.
we can always get a ladder up and get them off. i have done that frequently. that's something that happens frequently in the city. >> you don't need a ladder from the roof in it's less than 4 and 12. you need to have a ladder. >> once again, the fire department shouldn't be up there. we are going to walk through this and cross otis street. we will look at sand types and some of the other stuff. >> okay. this is, we are on otis and golf. >> this is serving 50 or more
people. this is a really interesting fire escape with these curved balconies. and once again, we have the elements that we were discussing. the balconies, access. this accordion ladder. what does the fire department think about the accordian ladders? >> they got dropped out. it's retroactive. they have to bring them up to today's code. i have a story to tell. when i was in the sunset district. you see a crank on the side, you undue a lever and they are supposed to fall down. we did it, 50 to 75 percent of the time it doesn't work. there's, it's on the owner, the owner is supposed to maintain these ladders and we have a
person here who does the maintenance. do you have anything you want to say? >> an escape artist. >> i believe these are supposed to be checked once a year. >> one of my competitors says they need to be checked twice a year. i have encountered those that don't go down because they haven't been checked >> well, after and brush cleaning, and lubrication, we jump up and down on them. i weigh 170 pounds. they don't go down, like we're stretching them. crank them back up. break them free. after we lubricated them. >> what kind of lubrication?
if it's a frozen type. we use a penetrable type >> with escape artists, you regularly check them? >> it's all us calling them each year requesting if they would like us to do maintenance service for their drop ladder. each year it's quite simple and easy procedure to do. and we appreciate that people take pride and understand their fire escapes and drop ladders are a part of their building's safety system. just like the sprinkler systems. they are usually located along a fire escape ladder way, platform system. the fire department does use them to approach emergency
situations in buildings. >> this is interesting on who's checking them. in san francisco for residential units and motels and hotels, the housing inspection division is required to check every 5 years to do an inspection of the buildings. and the procedures have changed to require they operate the fire escape when they do that inspection. have you gone to those where they require to operate the fire escape? >> absolutely. we got the call from a property owner saying they have been sited or requested by a housing inspector. we will inspect the fire escape before maintenance and do maintenance repairs. i feel confident that the fire
escapes are safe. ask we will provide a certificate. that describes what we found and what we didn't. so far, that has been approved by the fire department >> all exterior balconies of wood have to be certified by an architect or licensed pest control every how many years? 5 years and they are starting to get that under way and they requires certification by someone with those licenses as well. this is a different concept. this is not a residential building. they don't do these 5-year or yearly inspection on this. so, does the fire department come out and check these at all >> probably not. we are supposed to come out for
assembly permits. we are supposed to come out. actually, you probably walk through and checks the exits . whether they physically do the fire escape. i don't know. >> so assembly occupancies. the fire department has a state mandate to be an annual check. >> we had a question here >> does the fire department have a list of all the different assembly buildings with fire escapes that need to be looked at? >> no. we have a list of all the assembly, whether they know which one has a fire escape. we are obviously trying to discourage that. if you can imagine getting 50
people out would be tough. i said 10 or 15 years that was residential. for assembly, that's 20 years >> you might want to look at the golden gate theater has these enormous counter balance fire escapes that can handle an occupant load of hundreds of people and really wide and actually very low slope. but we do, we have in san francisco, we have assembly occupants and they check those too. >> the american club up here that has the same. fire escape.
>> up above cafe nour >> does anybody regulate to see if they are working? >> no. in fact, the housing code for exterior buildings exempt one and 2 family buildings. the building department checks for alteration or repair. it's up to the homeowner to maintain the property. we don't go back and inspect it unless we have gotten a complaint or we see a problem. we will stop and tell them. >> how is the width of the stairs, the fire escape? >> okay. we've got a question. how do we determine the width with of the fire escape stairs >>